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 04-01-2006, 12:43 Post: 127006
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My duaghter said to me when she was 12 years old "Dad, I don't know what Prejudice is but they (Blacks) keep telling me"
I think it is time that we refer to ALL of ourselves as Americans and enough of this segregating on employemnet forms etc are you" Afro-American, Latin-American, Irish-American, Italian-American, Mexican-American or White?" Damn, I am a color and everyone else has American in their titles. Laughing out loud MAybe we should take the flags away and call em all just plain AMERICAN. Either you are or your are NOT. THere should be ONE language, English, speak it or leave. Go to France and try to order a meal, only in the toruists areas will you get anyone that speaks English, otherwise if you want to eat, learn French. Afirmative-Action showed favoritism and enough is enough.
I was reading a News story awhile back where some Black Leader (maybe Jackson or SHarpton) was bitching that the jails hold more Blacks than Whites. He never spoke the extra words to really complete what he was insinuating which was clearly, The courts are against the Blacks. When he was finished it was revealed that Blacks commit more crimes against other Blacks than Whites do to them or to themselves and the jails had more because it was probably because they did more to get there.....
As long as people are willing to feed these ridiculous claims they will be around for a long time to come. Look at the Native Americans...(see) they were hunted and shot for fun. Yet how often do you hear them complaining and they live in the worst poverty? Did you ever hear of Cowboys and Negroes? Or any childhood game that involved hating Blacks? Me either.... we had einy miny mighty moe which was the only thing I can recall about blacks that might have been bad, but I would have on two six guns and a Cowboy hat and my day was most always riding my broomstick and out hunting Indians.......... Today I have the Greatest of respect for the Native American... Can't quite say the same about the Blacks, not as long as they muster under the likes of Jackson who has gotten his fortunes for threatening big companies, or idiot Sharpton, let them muster around the likes of Powell or Rice and they would have an excellent chance.








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 04-02-2006, 16:02 Post: 127033
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I don't beleive I know of a single case where any Native American Troibe took land from another tribe. They all beleived that the land was the fleshof their Mother. They may have gone to battle with another tribe to gain more Buffalo, but other than the Pueblo Indians mose tribes were not settled, they were more of a nomadic people and followed the Buffalo or whatever. Villages were here one day and gone the next.
Columbus was a ruthless bastard and should not be in our history books as a hero. He is the man who you can credit slavery to. He came here and he alone was responsible for thousands of Native Americans being murdered. He would cut the frontsof their feet off so they couldn't run away and took dozens back to SpPain and Portgual to be used as slaves. His men murdered thousands upon thousands and it is No wonder that the Red Man hated the White man. How many Explorers came here and planted a Lance in the ground and declared it for another country. DeSoto, Columbus, Cook, Megellan, and many more.
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Oh well. Hey, I am not trying to be a Racists, I am fed up with everyone claiming I am doing something to them and in reality I am the one being singled out. I hear Jesse BIG OUTH Jackson always accusing someone of having a Racist conspiracy behind their motives and tlak bad about the Whites all of the time. Claims I have mistreated his people etc etc. GOD Dang the Civil War was over almost 140 years ago and i have never done no harm to any Black person. NEVER. Yet, i am looked at by them as if I belong to some friggin Black Hate Gang or something. I think that is what my daughter was trying to say. I am NOT a Color I am an American...period.






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 04-06-2006, 10:56 Post: 127305
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Your report on the movement of the American Native American has some leaks.
The Tribes of this NAtion crossed by way of the Bering Starit many thousands of years ago. There is NO record as of yet who was here if anyone prior to that. There is another beleif that this entire Continent broke away from Europe and has been moving Westward. You can almost fit the Americas with the coast of Europe.
Anyways, many of the Plains Indians were pushed Westward and Eastward by early explorers. Tribes that were once Plains became Forest. None were arghricultural some may have planted Maze but none would be considered Farmers.
White man forced them to different areas as in the LONG WALK and the TRAIL OF TEARS. Many were buthcered from moving trains strictly for the thrill of watching them die. The WHite man from European roots showed the Indians how to scalp and used scalps as proof that their enemies were killed and paid the Indian a ransom for the scalps. The Native American has No word for Hate. We were just good teachers.






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 04-06-2006, 12:36 Post: 127308
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You expect me to be able to remeber details such as who posted what?????
I wasn't kidding about Hate they have no spoken words for Hate. Scalping was actually taught to them by the Europeans. Scalping was proof to the Europeans that the White Colonist was killed and ransoms were usually traded for the scalps.
Were you aware of the MORe accurate dating using Wood versus Carbon? They have been able to use wood found in Old Pueblo Dwellings etc and found at other sites and crossed the growth rings with wood from like the Sequoias and the Bristle Pine and have been able to obtain an extremely accurate timeline using Wood, accuarcy within one season.
Yes! there is much Asian influnece in the American Indian and there is some South American such as the Ranchero, Hopi, Zuni, Navajo and even Apache that show that influence and similarities to the Mayan and Aztec.
I do hope the ones who killed for sport and because they thought the Red Man was a savage are burning in Hell. I am part Sioux, Cheyenne and Cherokee and the Cherokee in the Carolinas are NOT Native of that area but from further West. Same for the Cheyenne. One tribe who has NEVER signed the treaties live in the Swamps in the Everglades, the Seminole. The tribe at the base of the Grand Canyon, the Havasupi were at one time Plains People and were driven until they sought their refuge within the walls of the Canyon. To this very day permission to enter the Canyon floor has to be granted by the Havasupi in advance. It is lush and green. Take a trip to the bottom sometime and meet these great people.






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 04-06-2006, 13:10 Post: 127310
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He wanted to fill the Grand Cnayon with a Hydro Project???? I guess, natural walls to hold it, but wow! that would make for a Short Donkey ride.






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 04-06-2006, 13:35 Post: 127315
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No that would be a bummer.....
I have thoughted about putting paddlewheel type of things along our Coast lines and let the POUNDING SURF generate some power for us. Hell the surf is always pounding and there are plenty of areas that you can't put nothing else in its place, so why not? Just think of the possibilities, Storm tonight brings a brighter light. or some dumb log...






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 04-06-2006, 14:28 Post: 127320
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I read the story today about the Racist McKinney and I wonder just how bad she has really had it.... Laughing out loud I guess DeLay called a spade a spade..... This has to be the FIRST time that I have ever heard of anyone calling a Black person a Racists, I thought that was only reserved for Whites..Rolling on the floor laughingMAO
I was not there, you are right and I only can speak my opinion and refer to what I have learned and then it can be said does that make it all true? who knows, right?
The Red Man has so much to complain about and yet sits in silence, the Black man has so little to complain about and is constantly referring to exaggerated abuse. The White man has so little time to listen to either as if he is the one who sits in Judgement on all others.






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 04-07-2006, 10:16 Post: 127366
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Why does DeLay have to apologize? If he called someone who is a Racist a Racist, I don't see where an apology is necessary, If I call an Oak Tree and Oak Tree and a Maple a Maple do I owe anybody or thing an apology?
As far as your Native American History, you may want to side step it for whatever reason. There are photograghs, military reports, journals, records of all sorts to document what happened. No! Only the Southwestern Indians were even remotely considered Farming Tribes. East Coast were small game, berries, fish. There homes were not built as permanent and they could and would and did move. Only the Southwestern were pretty well settled in one area. Sure they may have some Maze (Corn) but I really don't beleive it and that story about the pilgrims and the Corn and the Fish, well I think that is a story. Maze or Corn is from the Southwestern Regions and was widely used. East coast, sure there may have been tobacco. Most Pipes had just about anything in them and Peace Pipes or Ceremonial Pipes had Catcus Buds or Piaoty. Wild Rice was a food as well as any type of Wild Wheat. But as far as farming, they were not.






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 04-07-2006, 10:24 Post: 127367
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You call the Native American Primitive? WHy??? THey were NOT primitive, far from it and extremely civilized. They had Different Values and worshiped the Earth and all of Life. Europeans had a Society that was controlled by Kings and Queens and Popes and whatever. They wore powdered wigs and tights and dressed like Gays. They wanted to conquere and change everything in their grasps, they wanted Trade Routes that was theirs only.
Native Americans were Peaceful, mind there own business and YES! had scarpes now and again. There were a few tribes that were considered Waring Tribes but in the same perspective as the Civilized Europeans who were trying to conquere them, they were mild.
Here is an old joke.. The Native American did NOT pollute, had plenty of food, no job, women did the work, they paid no taxes and then the Europeans came and tried to improve the system. Native Americans had a life that they had lived the same way for many undreds of years. Did you know that in there Primitive form of communication, word was aaid to have spread from one coast to another in only 20 minutes. It was disease, the sword and the cannon and European desire to conquere that killed the Native American and tried to push them totally out of history.






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 04-07-2006, 10:32 Post: 127368
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You are hitting the nail on the head more accurately then you may think.
We the american People have grown reliant on the media and that reliance has given the media a self appointed power over us. They feel they are entitlted to all facts before anyone else, they feel they have a Right to report the news whether it be right or even to be proven.
How often can you go to Netscape and read a News title and then get into the story and fgind the Title is not even close to the facts being reported?
Look how angry the White House Media was when Cheny went to a local Texas Media instead. They felt they had a Right before anyone and they also tried to make the enforcement that people demand that the media controls what is going on. Cheney was not obligated in any way to notify any news media. If the media wants a story let them go out and get one.
Look at the War in Iraq, the Graphics, the music and fancy image transistions, Hell they are trying to make Hollywood type of productions out of the pain and suffering and an Explosion is nothing more than Free Graphics to them. Dan Rather learned that his opinion is NOT to be reported as fact and that Facts need to be researched prior to reporting, who gives a shit about the race to be first with the story??? The Media is destroying us and most of the people you talk to are informed thru 5 minute sound bytes while they grab a bite to eat or get ready to hit the town. The media has turned into a Joke as compared to what they use to be. I watched Wolf Blizter a while back and the story was a simple story and rattled on for 20 minutes injecting opinion after opinion as if they were the facts. Then they still walk up to a slain soldiers family and ask some real questions like " How did you feel when you got the news about your son?" I mean the media today is filled with over paid Hollywood wannabes whackos.






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 04-10-2006, 08:04 Post: 127462
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I do not see Delay as ALWAYS saaying this or that and I do not see where he owes anyone an apology, including Randy.
As far as the Press right now, If the President of the United States DECLASSIFIES Classified (not Top Secret, Not Kyrpto) Information, than HOW can anyone declare the results as a LEAK? What wouldbe a leak is when i read in this mornings newspaper"Pentagon is planning an attack on Iran" whether it is true or NOT true, the media should NOT be publishing such info ofr Americans can be killed as a result, it would be like tipping off the Germans that we really were going to attack in Normandy. This happened back in 81 with the Iranian rescue, the nioght before i was watching details on TV about how we were going to go in with Ch-53s and some C-130s and where they were going to land and there was even speculations about deversions. This is NOT News and is not to be published.
I also find it odd that the media can publish anything they want about anybody they want and it is all ok, Dan Rather did just that, as did Michael Moore and so many others, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean etc, but should the WH or any of its staff say something, why then you have a Leak. I don't understand what this is all about when the information was DECLASSIFIED by the President. That means that EVERYONE of lesser may read the documents. So what is the LEAK? Leak about what?






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 04-10-2006, 08:06 Post: 127463
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I wanted to add, McKinney tried to pass thru security and was upset when she was stopped. She tried to act privelaged and NO she was NOT recognozed because she had changed her appearance. The Police were doing their jobs and she seemed to be acted for the sake of attention and more of this Whites hate the blacks crap. DeLay merely pointed out that McKinney had done this many times before and had many times before used the Poor Black Person pity speeches. If the Truth hurts, sorry, no need for an apology if it is True, only if it is not.






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